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Called it. Girl is going on a run and probably can't be stopped. Either Sydney or Voce need to recognize they need to bow out here if anyone has ANY shot at betting Michelle
 

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This end game is when comp wins actually matter as immunity allows you to indirectly control the direction of the game. Michelle needs to keep building a resume. She has the comp wins, she needs some moves now. 
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I knew after the second social challenge (In-Crowd) it would be BRUTAL to try to get her out. She's really good at these technical challenges but the social stuff kept it open.
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22:22 pm This end game is when comp wins actually matter as immunity allows you to indirectly control the direction of the game. Michelle needs to keep building a resume. She has the comp wins, she needs some moves now. 
That's why I was mildly disappointed it's Sydney who gets the credit for my death as opposed to Michelle. I tried to misdirect, make a show of voting Sydney - Voce MISPLAYED his idol and fell for it (which will factor into my decision - he seemed surprised he was being targeted even after I told him Michelle had her idol). Sydney slapped her idol down for him without a second thought and Michelle just kinda waved hers around like "hey I got one too but didn't need to use it". If Michelle idols me out there by protecting Voce that's a move. But Sydney did it instead.
 

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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:24:33 pm I knew after the second social challenge (In-Crowd) it would be BRUTAL to try to get her out. She's really good at these technical challenges but the social stuff kept it open.
Yeah, ultimately I think a social challenge is the only thing that will give the rest of the tribe the chance to get her out. 

The final challenge is always a mix of both though so that might level the playing field slightly. 
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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:26:43 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22:22 pm This end game is when comp wins actually matter as immunity allows you to indirectly control the direction of the game. Michelle needs to keep building a resume. She has the comp wins, she needs some moves now. 
That's why I was mildly disappointed it's Sydney who gets the credit for my death as opposed to Michelle. I tried to misdirect, make a show of voting Sydney - Voce MISPLAYED his idol and fell for it (which will factor into my decision - he seemed surprised he was being targeted even after I told him Michelle had her idol). Sydney slapped her idol down for him without a second thought and Michelle just kinda waved hers around like "hey I got one too but didn't need to use it". If Michelle idols me out there by protecting Voce that's a move. But Sydney did it instead.
Yeah right now, from the outside looking in, Michelle doesn't have any big moves she can call her own so this is the time for her to shine. Comp wins only matter so much when trying to pitch yourself as a winner. 
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:28:31 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:26:43 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:22:22 pm This end game is when comp wins actually matter as immunity allows you to indirectly control the direction of the game. Michelle needs to keep building a resume. She has the comp wins, she needs some moves now. 
That's why I was mildly disappointed it's Sydney who gets the credit for my death as opposed to Michelle. I tried to misdirect, make a show of voting Sydney - Voce MISPLAYED his idol and fell for it (which will factor into my decision - he seemed surprised he was being targeted even after I told him Michelle had her idol). Sydney slapped her idol down for him without a second thought and Michelle just kinda waved hers around like "hey I got one too but didn't need to use it". If Michelle idols me out there by protecting Voce that's a move. But Sydney did it instead.
Yeah right now, from the outside looking in, Michelle doesn't have any big moves she can call her own so this is the time for her to shine. Comp wins only matter so much when trying to pitch yourself as a winner. 
The thing that I find impressive about her game (and Hali's to a degree too) is neither have caught a single vote yet if memory serves. Everyone else has. Michelle has built a pretty brilliant set of shields around her from day 1. I predicted her or Morgan winning in my very first confessional. Her social play is sneaky as hell. She gathers intel from everyone but gives up NOTHING in return. But everyone just keeps feeding her because she felt indispensable to people's games. In my mind, Michelle doesn't need a BIG move to make it to the end. She just needs to get to the end, especially with who she has left to pitch against. 
 

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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:31:48 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:28:31 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:26:43 pm
That's why I was mildly disappointed it's Sydney who gets the credit for my death as opposed to Michelle. I tried to misdirect, make a show of voting Sydney - Voce MISPLAYED his idol and fell for it (which will factor into my decision - he seemed surprised he was being targeted even after I told him Michelle had her idol). Sydney slapped her idol down for him without a second thought and Michelle just kinda waved hers around like "hey I got one too but didn't need to use it". If Michelle idols me out there by protecting Voce that's a move. But Sydney did it instead.
Yeah right now, from the outside looking in, Michelle doesn't have any big moves she can call her own so this is the time for her to shine. Comp wins only matter so much when trying to pitch yourself as a winner. 
The thing that I find impressive about her game (and Hali's to a degree too) is neither have caught a single vote yet if memory serves. Everyone else has. Michelle has built a pretty brilliant set of shields around her from day 1. I predicted her or Morgan winning in my very first confessional. Her social play is sneaky as hell. She gathers intel from everyone but gives up NOTHING in return. But everyone just keeps feeding her because she felt indispensable to people's games. In my mind, Michelle doesn't need a BIG move to make it to the end. She just needs to get to the end, especially with who she has left to pitch against. 
Yeah I agree with that last line, she wins purely on the fact that her competition isn't well... all that good in the grand scheme of things. If it would be more competitive I would definitely wish she could pull off a move or two to pad up the resume.

I hope I can be proven wrong but I don't Michelle did any of what you said purposely/intentionally. Or maybe she did slightly but lots of it was also just coincidental/right place-right time kind of thing. Not sure she knew us well enough to intentionally position herself around key people.
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:35:13 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:31:48 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:28:31 pm
Yeah right now, from the outside looking in, Michelle doesn't have any big moves she can call her own so this is the time for her to shine. Comp wins only matter so much when trying to pitch yourself as a winner. 
The thing that I find impressive about her game (and Hali's to a degree too) is neither have caught a single vote yet if memory serves. Everyone else has. Michelle has built a pretty brilliant set of shields around her from day 1. I predicted her or Morgan winning in my very first confessional. Her social play is sneaky as hell. She gathers intel from everyone but gives up NOTHING in return. But everyone just keeps feeding her because she felt indispensable to people's games. In my mind, Michelle doesn't need a BIG move to make it to the end. She just needs to get to the end, especially with who she has left to pitch against. 
Yeah I agree with that last line, she wins purely on the fact that her competition isn't well... all that good in the grand scheme of things. If it would be more competitive I would definitely wish she could pull off a move or two to pad up the resume.

I hope I can be proven wrong but I don't Michelle did any of what you said purposely/intentionally. Or maybe she did slightly but lots of it was also just coincidental/right place-right time kind of thing. Not sure she knew us well enough to intentionally position herself around key people.
It's hard to say if she did or didn't intentionally. That part will come out in her final pitch. It definitely felt like, to me, it was like pulling teeth talking game with her but not because it was HARD to talk game with her (when we did talk game it was quick, simple and easy) but she was difficult to get more from than I'd give to her. I always felt at an information deficit with her because I'd be like "so have you heard what's going down?" and she'd go "maybe? what did you hear?" and it was always that kind of stuff with her. She positioned herself well to direct that game and never rock the boat too much where she popped up as too appetizing of a threat too soon. We lost, what? 5 male players in a row and I look now and go "huh, 4:1 for the ladies right now" and there's a part of me that wonders if all us men were just allowed to shoot because of our egos while the ladies sat back and let us bury ourselves. It sure looks that way right now but, like you highlighted, whether that was intentional or not remains to be seen.
 

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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:40:02 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:35:13 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:31:48 pm
The thing that I find impressive about her game (and Hali's to a degree too) is neither have caught a single vote yet if memory serves. Everyone else has. Michelle has built a pretty brilliant set of shields around her from day 1. I predicted her or Morgan winning in my very first confessional. Her social play is sneaky as hell. She gathers intel from everyone but gives up NOTHING in return. But everyone just keeps feeding her because she felt indispensable to people's games. In my mind, Michelle doesn't need a BIG move to make it to the end. She just needs to get to the end, especially with who she has left to pitch against. 
Yeah I agree with that last line, she wins purely on the fact that her competition isn't well... all that good in the grand scheme of things. If it would be more competitive I would definitely wish she could pull off a move or two to pad up the resume.

I hope I can be proven wrong but I don't Michelle did any of what you said purposely/intentionally. Or maybe she did slightly but lots of it was also just coincidental/right place-right time kind of thing. Not sure she knew us well enough to intentionally position herself around key people.
It's hard to say if she did or didn't intentionally. That part will come out in her final pitch. It definitely felt like, to me, it was like pulling teeth talking game with her but not because it was HARD to talk game with her (when we did talk game it was quick, simple and easy) but she was difficult to get more from than I'd give to her. I always felt at an information deficit with her because I'd be like "so have you heard what's going down?" and she'd go "maybe? what did you hear?" and it was always that kind of stuff with her. She positioned herself well to direct that game and never rock the boat too much where she popped up as too appetizing of a threat too soon. We lost, what? 5 male players in a row and I look now and go "huh, 4:1 for the ladies right now" and there's a part of me that wonders if all us men were just allowed to shoot because of our egos while the ladies sat back and let us bury ourselves. It sure looks that way right now but, like you highlighted, whether that was intentional or not remains to be seen.
I mean, not sure what happened between you and Paul, maybe your ego did get in the way and you shot the shot too early LOL but Rodney and Naseer were collateral damage to the game and I went out because I was public enemy number one. So I don't think it really was much of a ding-a-ling measuring contest between the boys as everyone else watched LOL

I didn't get that feeling from her but also the dynamics were different between our relationships with her. I will admit that she does a good job covering her steps as she was the first one to talk to me about what happened after the Morgan vote, whether that was intentional jury management because she knew I was a dead man walking or just her genuinely being nice is something I guess we'll have to see if she makes FTC haha
 

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AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Steph is actually trying to convince people that getting rid of Sydney or Voce is a resume move LOOOOOOOOOOL
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:46:30 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:40:02 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:35:13 pm
Yeah I agree with that last line, she wins purely on the fact that her competition isn't well... all that good in the grand scheme of things. If it would be more competitive I would definitely wish she could pull off a move or two to pad up the resume.

I hope I can be proven wrong but I don't Michelle did any of what you said purposely/intentionally. Or maybe she did slightly but lots of it was also just coincidental/right place-right time kind of thing. Not sure she knew us well enough to intentionally position herself around key people.
It's hard to say if she did or didn't intentionally. That part will come out in her final pitch. It definitely felt like, to me, it was like pulling teeth talking game with her but not because it was HARD to talk game with her (when we did talk game it was quick, simple and easy) but she was difficult to get more from than I'd give to her. I always felt at an information deficit with her because I'd be like "so have you heard what's going down?" and she'd go "maybe? what did you hear?" and it was always that kind of stuff with her. She positioned herself well to direct that game and never rock the boat too much where she popped up as too appetizing of a threat too soon. We lost, what? 5 male players in a row and I look now and go "huh, 4:1 for the ladies right now" and there's a part of me that wonders if all us men were just allowed to shoot because of our egos while the ladies sat back and let us bury ourselves. It sure looks that way right now but, like you highlighted, whether that was intentional or not remains to be seen.
I mean, not sure what happened between you and Paul, maybe your ego did get in the way and you shot the shot too early LOL but Rodney and Naseer were collateral damage to the game and I went out because I was public enemy number one. So I don't think it really was much of a ding-a-ling measuring contest between the boys as everyone else watched LOL

I didn't get that feeling from her but also the dynamics were different between our relationships with her. I will admit that she does a good job covering her steps as she was the first one to talk to me about what happened after the Morgan vote, whether that was intentional jury management because she knew I was a dead man walking or just her genuinely being nice is something I guess we'll have to see if she makes FTC haha
All I'm saying is 5 guys in a row, gotta wonder and consider all angles. For the Paul vote, I wish it was ego but it was more...compassion? - Steph played the fuck out of me and got me to do it. I was locked and loaded to not start shooting at Paul/Michelle until f5. I felt GOOD about the decision knowing that, hey going into f5 with Steph/Hali gave us a 3-2 advantage and we should have a relatively easy time dusting up Sydney/Voce back-to-back. I even told Voce I wanted Sydney earlier in the day and Steph talked me into targeting Paul and Michelle early. Convinced me that we could still control majority of 4-3 by having her and Voce there instead of Paul/Michelle. I didn't like it because Michelle was a massive competition threat and if the blowback from booting Paul was fierce I was fucked. But Steph STILL got me to make the move. I mathed it out though and there's still a chance that even if we went with my original plan I'm likely still sitting here as Voce idols up at f6 feeling the heat off a Michelle immunity win, she has an idol for Paul and plays it there to protect him through to f5, then that just leaves Steph, Hali, and I myself and I think we can both be honest in who the most tempting target to shoot at out of that three would be.
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:50:22 pm AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Steph is actually trying to convince people that getting rid of Sydney or Voce is a resume move LOOOOOOOOOOL
She has next to no moves left here. Gotta shoot and hope something works. At least booting Sydney could *maybe* be stretched into a resume move. Voce getting booted is less of a move than booting Sydney now...I know, call me crazy.
 

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Sydney being WILLING to just take second is so deflating. 

She told me after your boot that she doesn't even want to win, just see how far she can make it. So bleh about hearing that.
 

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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:54:51 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:50:22 pm AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Steph is actually trying to convince people that getting rid of Sydney or Voce is a resume move LOOOOOOOOOOL
She has next to no moves left here. Gotta shoot and hope something works. At least booting Sydney could *maybe* be stretched into a resume move. Voce getting booted is less of a move than booting Sydney now...I know, call me crazy.
She has plenty of moves left imo. Always wiggle room in Stranded/Survivor, just have to find it. 

But yeah for sure Sydney is a ''better'' move resume-wise than Voce.
 

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James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:57:52 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:54:51 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:50:22 pm AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

Steph is actually trying to convince people that getting rid of Sydney or Voce is a resume move LOOOOOOOOOOL
She has next to no moves left here. Gotta shoot and hope something works. At least booting Sydney could *maybe* be stretched into a resume move. Voce getting booted is less of a move than booting Sydney now...I know, call me crazy.
She has plenty of moves left imo. Always wiggle room in Stranded/Survivor, just have to find it. 

But yeah for sure Sydney is a ''better'' move resume-wise than Voce.
Would love to hear your insight on what moves you think she has left here - what do you think her best moves here would be/are?
 

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Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:00:27 pm
James wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:57:52 pm
Mike wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:54:51 pm
She has next to no moves left here. Gotta shoot and hope something works. At least booting Sydney could *maybe* be stretched into a resume move. Voce getting booted is less of a move than booting Sydney now...I know, call me crazy.
She has plenty of moves left imo. Always wiggle room in Stranded/Survivor, just have to find it. 

But yeah for sure Sydney is a ''better'' move resume-wise than Voce.
Would love to hear your insight on what moves you think she has left here - what do you think her best moves here would be/are?
Final night for advantages, back against the wall, if she's aware of someone that has one then she should try and get them out in the open.

She can also just pull a James and make a fake one. I'm sure it would work a second time, especially considering the circumstances regarding it being the last night to do it.

Also not talking to Sydney is a bad mistake. 
 

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